Come home to yourself

Written by Tamsin Caine | Mar 15, 2022 11:22:33 AM

Tamsin speaks to yoga teacher and owner of Orange Bloom Yoga, Helen Fenton about her experiences with yoga helping to overcome trauma and find yourself.

I have loved yoga for many many years, I took the decision to train with the British Wheel of Yoga and become a teacher back in 2014. Since then yoga has only enhanced my body, mind, spirit and whole life.

I enjoy teaching beginners and those returning to yoga, I also want to enhance the life of those touched by physical or mental challenges using all elements of yoga. I love to share chair yoga with those that find a standard class unsuitable and my passion is INCLUSIVE yoga.

My style is totally intuitive, empowering people to move, breath and live in a way that serves them. I am a qualified Wellness coach and working with clients on a 1:1 basis is my true passion. Check it our HERE

Running a yoga studio and being able to work with some amazing teachers and students has been a dream of mine. Together with my little family we want to build a local community for yoga and wellness, one that can benefit everybody and EVERY BODY.

Transcript

(The transcript has been created by an AI, apologies for any mistakes)

Tamsin Caine 0:06
Hello, and welcome to the Smart Divorce podcast. In series five, my guests will be helping you to come out of your divorce, dissolution, or big breakup and create a different you move forward with the things that you want to be able to achieve. And think about things differently. I really hope you enjoy this series. I'm your host, Tamsin Caine. And we'll be meeting some fabulous guests, I hope you enjoy them. If you do have any suggestions as to for the guests that we could have on, then we'd be more than delighted to hear from you. I hope you enjoy.

Enjoying today on the Smart Divorce podcast by Helen Fenton of Orange Bloom yoga, our conversation I really hope you enjoy it is about yoga and how it can help you when you're coming out of trauma. And I loved our conversation, it'll tell you all about how to get started if you're interested in going to a class what to wear, what to take, and the real benefits that yoga can offer you. I love talking talent. She's such a sweetheart, I really hope you enjoy our conversation. Let's jump straight in.

I am delighted to be joined today by Helen Fenton of orange bloom yoga, I'm gonna allow Helen to introduce herself. And because she'll do it far better than me. So Helen, tell us tell us a little bit about you and what you do.

Helen Fenton 1:45
Um, thank you. So I, I am a yoga teacher. First and foremost, I run Orange Bloom yoga in Hazegrove. So it's just a little inclusive yoga studio that I've had for nearly four years now. Which is just fab can't believe time flies. And I describe myself as a yoga teacher, wellness coach and body worker because I also do massage and self massage. And just generally get people back in touch with their with their bodies. And themselves. I have taught for all my goodness, nearly nine years now, again, that's kind of gone quiet. But I've done yoga for many, many years since I was a teenager, never quite religiously, it was always something I dipped in and out of. And then in my late 20s went through quite a lot of life changes moved to sort of the other side of the country and yoga just was there was there for me. And then it got me hooked. Really just changed to change my life really made me a much calmer, happier and more centred person. And, and then I decided that I needed to share this with everybody. And anybody that will listen.

Tamsin Caine 3:12
Wonderful, I know that. So we want to talk about how to come out of traumatic situations. So our lovely listeners and viewers tend to have gone through divorce or dissolved civil partnership or, or certainly come out of the big breakup of some description. And how can yoga help you?

Helen Fenton 3:37
Well, I always describe the Ogres are coming home to yourself. And like I said, when when I really, really came into yoga, I had just gone through a big breakup and moved away. And it was I was very lucky, it was quite amicable.But you suddenly you're on your own and perhaps you're not entirely sure who that person i on your own. And, and it can happen throughout your life not necessarily after a breakup, but all sorts of different trauma like being made redundant or you know, having to move losing things and people. But I think particularly after a breakup, yoga helps you to just get in touch with who you are physically, emotionally, mentally, and gives you that that space and time to just come home to yourself. You know, you've always been there but sometimes we change ourselves with people and in certain situations and we just forget who it is we are at the core of the idea of coming home to yourself. And I've just realised I really want to come back to that but I have just realised that we haven't set the scene and actually explained what yoga is.

Tamsin Caine 5:02
I know like people see people doing yoga on Instagram and on Facebook and on the telly and they think yo u've got to be like super bendy skinny supermodel, you know, able to balance on one arm with your leg round your head. So I might let you dispel some of those.

Helen Fenton 5:27
Well, I can definitely not do that.

Tamsin Caine 5:31
what yoga actually is?

Helen Fenton 5:34
So yeah, it is terrible. But yoga has got a bit of a bad reputation, I think for being full of bendy Wendy's like reclad, lovely, which is fine. You know, there are lovely bendy people out there, I am not one of those people. So yoga is, is a lifestyle. You know, if you embrace every element of it, you don't have to. But there is the movement, which is the asanas element, which we all we all know, we have all seen, you know, doing tree pose and warrior pose. And you know, the physical movement, which is fabulous, that really just get you in touch with your body. obviously great for your flexibility if your bone density and all of that. But there is also breathing, meditation, mindfulness. There are also these things called the, the Yamahas in the knee armors, which are almost like I don't want to say rules, because I'm not good with rules. They are guidelines on how to live your life. So they're things like, do no harm, which I always translate to do no harm to people, but to yourself as well. Truth be truthful. So again, be truthful with people, but be truthful with yourself. And then there's loads of others as well, just about taking time for yourself and, and being pressing self study, which is a big one for me, and just learning about who you are at the core. And what triggers you and, and what you believe in where your faith lies. And you know, it doesn't have to be spiritual, but your faith can lie, you know, in yourself or other people. So there's so many different elements. I mean, I started as with most people in the physical side with the asanas, I went to an Ashtanga class, which was really quite flowing, quite hardcore. I was in my 20s. So you know, when I really got into it, that was great. I'm now more of a restorative, slow flow kind of girl after two kids. But yeah, you know, I started with the physical stuff, the breathing really transformed how I could manage my emotions. And then the meditation and the mindfulness and all of the other stuff came later, which I think it often does, and then can just really start to feed into your life and how you handle situations. There's a big thing in yoga about non non attachment. So we're never attached to the future or the fruits of your labour. And it's not meaning that you're not you don't care about what's going to happen. It's just that you put the effort in, and then you let the universe deliver. And it's not always going to turn out the way that you want. So being not attached. It's been a great lesson to learn over the last 18 months in particular.

Tamsin Caine 8:36
Yeah, wow. Yeah, I can, yeah. Don't get me started. Um, so as you say, if you're looking at a yoga class, I guess, then you're looking at the physical sort of movement type side of things mainly. So there are loads of different types of yoga classes, you said. There's the Ashtanga, there's the slow flow that you talked about that you've kind of opted for more recently, how I've heard of hot yoga as well, where you're in a baking hot room. And that sounds really hideous up man, for being warm, but I'm not sure I want to do yoga, I think I pass out. But how do you choose what class you go to if you've never done it before?

Helen Fenton 9:29
I think the best thing to do is just start with what do you want from the class? So do you want to be more relaxed? Do you want to physically, you know, ache and get some, you know, physical bits out of it? Do you want to tone up? Is it a few different elements of that? And then and then just do your research. You know, ask yoga teachers, how they teach what they teach. There's loads of stuff on the internet. I did do a little blog as well actually. A couple of different types of yoga and Just a little breakdown of what they are. Yeah, there is the hot yoga, which is fabulous. For those that really like to sweat. I looked like a spray when I dropped it. It's no it's not. Not for me, not for the faint. Yeah, and I think just just chat too, if you ever in doubt, have a little chat to the teacher and try it. You know, I tried a few different types of yoga. And like I said, I started with Ashtanga, which is something I don't really do any more. But just dip in, dip out. And also through different parts of the month, particularly if you're a woman. Yoga will suit you in different ways. You know, you might want a heavy, solid practice of physical stuff. When you're feeling energetic, then sometimes you might just want to go into a yoga posture for like, five minutes and just lie there and relax. Which is lovely.

Tamsin Caine 10:56
That sounds sometimes you going into yoga postures that you can think, oh, yeah, that seems like a good idea. But actually, they still become quite difficult it after a relatively short amount. Yeah, sitting cross legged with the backstraight. And kind of everything pulled off quick. Yeah, after a few minutes, you're like, Oh, this is quite hard work

Helen Fenton 11:26
But I am that stillness is the hardest yoga posture. I think it is, isn't it?

Tamsin Caine 11:31
So if I've never been to yoga class before, I'm panicking, that I'm gonna be in a room full of. bendy, Wendys, I' love that. And like cricket clad women, and hardware? Do you deal with that? What? What's it going to be like? What's a real yoga class actually going to look like?

Helen Fenton 11:55
Yeah, I mean, I think it's very rare, you walk into a room and you feel completely sort of the odd one out. Particularly not, if you've had a chat to the teacher before and you know, trusted you trust your gut instincts. You know, if you've got a good vibe with them, then give it a try. You know, I walked into my first yoga class and was dead nervous, because I'm not bending. But the teacher was so lovely. And it was just she giggled, and, you know, we had a bit of fun, it just made me feel really relaxed. So yeah, I think just go in with a really open mind, there may be somebody there, that's going to be able to put their foot behind their head and do the splits and all sorts. But that is just that person's body. Everybody's bodies are completely different. There are poses that I cannot physically do, and I doubt I will ever be able to do them. And that is fine. I'm more than happy with that. And, you know, just just go in and do what you can and listen to your body. And that's, I'm always big on my classes, just do not do anything that your body really says no to, you know, it might have a moan and groan, it might have a bit of like, Oh, I'm not sure about this. But if it really doesn't want to do it, your body, your body will let you know.

Tamsin Caine 13:10
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I know, the class that I go to is a real mixture of all sorts of different people, different shapes and sizes, different ages, and massively different capabilities. There's some some women in the class who can do the clever flying type poses, which just astounded me. And I just set that on my mat and otter or these amazing people. I'm like, wow. But that I kind of think well, and you know, they might have been doing it for years, they might be a lot younger than me a lot more flexible. Their body might move in a different way. And I think yeah, I'm quite happy sitting and watching other people do the amazing stuff, and I'll do what I can, but there's, there's men and women in my class and I kind of, you know, even if it doesn't matter if you're male or female, it's not. I think there's like this kind of feeling niche. It's an only women thing, but it's absolutely not, is it?

Helen Fenton 14:18
no no and I'm really lucky that I'm most of my classes I've got a good bit of mix in there of, I mean, definitely ages, but yeah, men and women. And, you know, I think men can find yoga a little difficult because not necessarily naturally as flexible as women. And also they might be a little nervous about going into a room full of women. But But yeah, and it's just so powerful for both men and women.

Tamsin Caine 14:47
Yeah, no, I totally agree. And what kit up kits let's do this, but what kits do people need when they first go to yoga class? What do they need to wear? What do they need to take?

Helen Fenton 15:00
Generally, for wearing I always say sort of for women, comfy leggings or tracksuit bottoms. Anything on that, if you get sweaty, obviously tracky bottoms not going to be great, you know, leggings is fine, nice best top or a t shirt, something that's not going to fall over your head when you sort of go upside down so and you can I always do layers, so that through the class, I can whip a t shirt off if I'm a bit too hot and then put it on at the end when I'm getting a bit cooler. For men, I always sort of say long baggy shorts or again tracksuit bottoms. Anything that you'd you'd run in or go to the gym in something that's comfy, not too binding. Nothing that's going to really like or whilst you're trying to breathe deeply, you don't want to be digging in with shoulders and things. Kit wise, it really depends where you're going. If you go into a studio generally they have everything. So and I always tell people just calm and if you get into it, and you really enjoying it, then go and buy your own yoga mat. But you don't need to spend loads of money to start with. Again, yoga mats are fairly cheap and cheerful now. And there's loads of choice. I mean, you can get one for a tenner. And you can get one for like 150 quid, I have never spent 150 pounds.

Tamsin Caine 16:21
There isn't mind blowing yoga mat site, I bought one. Hello, I had a really cheap and cheerful one with no writing or anything on it. And then I thought I'd go through the wrong ones with the diamonds and kind of positioning things on them. I thought that it was still a kind of foamy one. And I still find balancing on it really difficult. So like if I'm doing balance off. Yeah, I've got yoga mat that I can't actually do yoga.

Helen Fenton 16:57
Yeah, and there's some and there's different thicknesses. So if you if you tend to get achy wrists and knees, I always go for a little bit thicker. And it is it's fine to step off to do the balances. And the cork mats are really great for if you want to go for eco friendly, and non slip cork Max really good. I've got a few of those at the studio. But yeah, again, anything that's just going to cushion you a little bit, just never do it on a towel. Many, many injuries have been sustained, or people do yoga or on a towel.

Tamsin Caine 17:28
They go sliding off.

Helen Fenton 17:30
Like particularly if you've got wooden floors, and then you just slide across the wooden floors.

Tamsin Caine 17:36
Going to a&e with the yoga injury.

Helen Fenton 17:39
Sure, I'm sure it's happened.

Tamsin Caine 17:43
Brilliant. And so earlier on when we started talking, you talked about yoga, being coming home to yourself. Tell me a bit more about that. Because I love that expression. I like the idea of it. What? Tell me what you mean by it.

Helen Fenton 18:00
I think we we live in such a busy world. You know, we're constantly bombarded by work responsibilities, social media, we're continuously switched on and I'm totally guilty of this myself. So there's, I'm throwing around no judgement here. And it's really easy to just to live outside of yourself. So you constantly are firefighting, you're looking after everybody else. You know, you're going from one day to the next. And then you know you ever have that feeling where it's like God, it's Friday, where the hell did my week? What am I done. And I think yoga is like a little pocket in time where you can just pause all of that it's still there. And we can't get rid of it. Unless we move to like an ashram in India, which sometimes sounds really tempting. But it's that little bubble that you can just step into switch your phone off, you know, or leave it in your car or at home, at least come on to your map, and then just be with yourself. So it's your body moving, it's your body breathing. And I think one of the scarier thoughts is that it's you're left with your mind as well. Which was why I say like some of the hardest things in your grip being still because the mind is like pepper, and moving is I'm just going to move I'm going to flow. And then when we actually pause, we sit in our bodies, then the mind starts to flare up. And that's when the breathing and the meditation starts to really come in because we can step away from all of those thoughts. We can maybe become a bit more introspective. We can choose which thoughts we want to engage with which ones are helpful, which ones aren't. Most of them usually aren't helpful, I must admit and We can Yeah, we can just be be ourselves. And that's, I think, one of the most powerful things, once you experience it's great for your body feel amazing. You do get a bit sweaty muscles ache, you twist out all of that tension, you know, you give your body almost like a big massage. And then when you can sit and just breathe and be, then that's where yeah, you're coming into yourself a little bit more.

Tamsin Caine 20:29
Yeah. I really love that end. Sounds awesome. I love yoga classes in general, but the end bit, like last five minutes, where I'm laying on the floor, cuddle up in the big jumper and the pair of fluffy socks. And like, and just relaxing is just the most amazing thing ever.

Helen Fenton 20:54
Yeah, it's wonderful. And for most of us, if we just tried to lie down on the floor, and be still It would be awful. And we couldn't do it. But after a yoga practice, where you've got out all of that energy and all of that tension that you needed to, it is one of the most peaceful places you could possibly be.

Tamsin Caine 21:12
Yeah, I hadn't thought about it until you said, just then. Yeah, it is. It's not about just laying on the floor. Is it? Because if at the beginning the class, that's what we did?

Helen Fenton 21:21
Yeah,

Tamsin Caine 21:22
I don't think it would have anywhere near the same impact as it does. Kind of just Yeah, yeah, just going through that process at the end of having, having done the, all the twists and turns the past brings you all out. That's really amazing. And so tell me a bit more about kind of developing that because that's my go to yoga class. If you hold a yoga class, presumably it's the movement, and then sometimes some of the breathing and sometimes the meditation at the end. But broadly, it's it's covering the movement bit. So how do how would you suggest progress? If any of our listeners were already doing yoga? How would you progress through into the more spiritual side into the more kind of living your life? sort of way of being with yoga?

Helen Fenton 22:21
Yeah, well, I think the first step is to develop a home practice. So it is how it is not easy to turn up to a class. But once you've committed to it, then then you tend to go, the next step for me would be bring that home. So and following the videos is great, because you know, we don't always want to think about what we're doing. So I always encourage students to start doing a physical at home practice, and not skipping that little Shavasana. At the end, which is dead easy, when you're at home, like I've done the physical, I'll just stop the video there. That's sort of the most important bit, so stay for this USA. And then once you feel comfortable that you've got that into your regular routine, I would say start looking into the other elements in whatever way works for you. So if you want, if you'd like watching videos, then there's loads of meditations out there. There's loads of videos explaining some of the other elements of yoga, there's some wonderful books there that really put it all into context. So if you're like me, and just inhale books, then there's about 1,000,001. But I can definitely recommend a couple that are really lovely. And also, there are things out there like the yoga foundations course, which is run by the British wheel of yoga. And that lets students not that you want to become a teacher, but it gives you a bit of insight into yoga in terms of, you know, the history of it, where it comes from, and then explored all of those Yamas niyamas elements to it as well. So you know, if you want to invest your time that way, but then on a simple level, I would just say throughout your day, bringing in the breathing and the movement East is really dead easy, particularly if you're working from home at the moment. And if say your desk, even just setting your alarm or I've got a Fitbit so I have a little Fitbit alarm that goes off throughout the day. That just reminds me to just sit back, have a brief, you know, do a twist on the chair, you know, move away from the desk or wherever you are. Do a forward fold. You know, if you're feeling a little bit or you know, do a warrior pose. You can do it in the middle of the office if you weren't with other people, but just warn them that that might happen. If you open plan, particularly one other people

Tamsin Caine 25:02
launch into worry too.

Helen Fenton 25:09
But yeah, I work with one to one, I just recommend setting that alarm. And it does become second nature eventually. But you know, we all get busy. And we will forget, or just set the alarm on even just once a day. And when that alarm goes off, stop what you're doing, take, you know, five, big, lovely long in breaths, out breaths, and then move the body how you need to move it. And if you've been doing the classes and the out home practice, you'll know intuitively how your body wants to move. And sometimes it'll just be like a shake. You know, it's not a strict yoga posture. But it's a movement. That's, you know, that's what you need. Or it might just be I need to go and lie with my feet off the wall for two minutes.

Tamsin Caine 25:53
Is that a thing?

Helen Fenton 25:55
It's a thing. Yeah, putting your legs up the wall - mazing

Tamsin Caine 25:58
Really?

Helen Fenton 26:00
Yeah, it really drains all the blood from the legs get flushed your upper body with blood and energy. It's really lovely. It's better than a nap.

Tamsin Caine 26:10
But not be asleep for about four hours, I think. So yes, likes on the wall sounds like a much better idea. And something that struck me when you were talking about the wheel of yoga. And because learning more about it, I'm working better if I'm being taught then. I love reading books don't get me wrong. But I think for some reason, with something like yoga, I've just felt like, needs to be taught. I remember my mom had a Yoga Book. This was a long time ago, in the 70s. And it was my mom's quite quite into yoga. And she had a book with poses in it. And I remember thinking it that like just pictures of the pose. And I'm thinking why I don't get that don't see how. But since I started doing yoga, and you kind of move from flow from one to the other, it sort of makes no sense to me. But what I was going to ask you was should should we look for a particular qualification? Are there? Are there yoga teachers out there who aren't doing the DUA properly qualified or something? I have no idea whether it's a thing that people do yoga classes when they when they should have been taught properly or whatever. But is there is is there a qualification that we should be looking for?

Helen Fenton 27:34
Um, yeah, it is an unregulated industry. So anybody could call themselves a yoga teacher. But the chances are, if they haven't got any kind of qualification, they won't be insured, either. So you know, always check. I am a 500 hour yoga teacher. So the British rule of yoga is who I trained with there is also yoga Alliance as well. So they're the two big ones in the UK, that sort of regulate, I know use that word really loosely, because they can't regulate the industry. So any qualifications from the British whale or from yoga Alliance, or if they have those approved, so some, like yoga campuses is, is they're based in Manchester and London, they do lots of courses. And they're accredited by yoga Alliance, or the British way or depending on the course. So those are the two ones to keep an eye on and the hours if a teacher can say, Well, I'm a 500 hour teacher, or I'm a 200 hour teacher. That just indicates how many years they've put into teaching. And basically, as you do more courses, you add on to those hours. So I think I'm probably I'm about 600 hours, I really need to talk not count. Not my strong point. But yeah, always check in for that and checking that they're insured. And just you know, my and there are some people unfortunately out there that maybe they would they are a PT, and they say they teach yoga. It's it's very nuanced, because yoga is is not stretching. And like, you know, we've already talked about, and there are ways of moving and breathing and using mindfulness in yoga that just isn't taught in any other way. So you need to be taught by a yoga teacher. If you just want to stretch there is like flex classes and there's yoga lattes out there. Now, I've seen lots of lots of weird and wonderful classes, but if it's yoga, just look for the look for the hours and look for the British wheel or yoga Alliance. There are Some people have been trained on a weekend. There's lots of discussion about whether that's okay, ever wanted to be taught by anybody doing anything that I'd only learn in a weekend. But you know, it's your choice.

Tamsin Caine 30:17
No, absolutely. Doesn't really sound like long enough. But yeah, I get that. And I was just gonna going to ask you, we've kind of talked about the, about the breathing aspects and about that it, it can really help. And people who are kind of changing their lives. And now you said, it kind of really helped you. Can you put your finger on what it is about yoga that made such a difference to you, as opposed to another form of exercise?

Helen Fenton 30:58
I think for me, it was it was the introspection. It was the, you know, the, the teacher I had, when I really got into it was just, she was just such a beautiful soul. And she'd be constantly asking, you know, how does your body feel? What's your mind saying? Where are you breathing? And all of those questions, and then I started to just ask myself through the day, you know, how am I feeling? How am I breathing? And the more I asked, then the more I got in touch with myself and started to realise, okay, well, I'm actually feeling really anxious. And then what, then I asked for what's causing my anxiety. And I'm really feeling very angry. And why am I feeling that way? So I think it was it was that introspection that really made the difference. And then, you know, you won't always have the answers, and I suffer from anxiety and a lot of the time, it doesn't make any sense. And then actually unpacking the fact that it doesn't make sense allowed me to go, okay. It's just my mind. It's just chattering. It's just thoughts. I can step away from those thoughts. Okay, that's not me, I'm, you know, I'm not I'm not anxious, I'm not angry. That's just my mind go in, I can bring it back. I'm here. And I think that's, that was what was really transformative, especially after having a big breakup moving to a new city, there was a lot of self talk that was just not helpful and not healthy. And getting caught mired into that started to make me think that Well, you know, I'm a bad person. I've made mistakes. Oh, my goodness, you know, being able to sit in a yoga class, ask that, you know, ask What's matter, you know, how do you feel? And then being able to unpack that on my yoga mat? was just like, okay, yeah, so I do feel guilty? And why do I feel guilty and then letting it letting it on letting it process in a very healthy and managed way rather than just like myself spiral out of control?

Tamsin Caine 33:08
Yeah, I think that that's such a good way of looking at it. Because it is, so it is. I, the teacher that I both moment, it she talks about the practice, just be new one on your mat, it's all about what your practice on your map. And it is about that time for you, I think, which, you know, was as moms don't give ourselves much time for us doing. So I think that that's kind of one of the one of the real things that that if and if you can unpack, start to unpack things that are going on in your head around guilt and shame and so on that that's really important. And we're coming to the end of our conversation. Is there anything else that you want to add to what you've said today? Um,

Helen Fenton 34:05
I think I suppose but the most important thing for me is, is people knowing that not, not every yoga class is the same. If you've tried one, and you know, it's not for me, I do I really encourage giving it another go. And if you feel like you can't do yoga, you absolutely 100% Can. It's just finding the right yoga for you. If you can't touch the floor. That's fine. Neither could I when I started, you know, if you need to sit in a chair and do I teach chair yoga, you know, it's it's not all about the, you know, Warrior poses, the tree poses the, you know, like we said, the Instagram perfect. That looks so wonderful and you think Oh god, I'm a million miles away from that, but that's not real yoga. That is people posing and looking absolutely beautiful, no doubt But you have no idea what's going on in their heads.

Tamsin Caine 35:07
To get there as well, and how many hours of practice it's taken them.

Helen Fenton 35:11
Exactly.And unfortunately, most of the pictures we see are of about 23 year olds who could probably do that anyway. So you know, it's Yeah, is just go try yoga class, find a teacher that's really nourishing, that's really lovely. And that's normal. You know, we're generally just normal people. I think so.

Tamsin Caine 35:37
And so when can where can our listeners and viewers find you?

Helen Fenton 35:44
So in my physical form, My studio is in Hazelgrove. So it's a lovely little sanctuaries that we do daily classes, workshops, courses, for loads of different types of people. I do things with pregnancy, yoga, to menopause yoga, like I said to chair yoga, and I am on social media. So I am on Instagram, as much as I do about it. I am there but there's lots of normal pictures of me doing normal yoga. And and so yeah, so I'm on I'm on Instagram and Facebook is orange bloom yoga, and I have got a website as well, which again, is just orange plum yoga.

Tamsin Caine 36:28
Wonderful. Alan, thank you so much for joining me today. It's been a real pleasure to talk to you. You're welcome. I and I hope you enjoy that that episode of the Smart Divorce podcast. If you would like to get in touch please have a look in the show notes for details or go on to the website www.smartdivorce.co.uk. Also, if you are listening on Apple podcasts or on Spotify, and you wouldn't mind leaving us a lovely five star review. That will be fantastic. I know that lots of our listeners are finding this is incredibly helpful in their journey through separation divorce, and dissolving a civil partnership. Also, if you would like some work further support we do have a Facebook group now. It's called separation divorce and dissolution UK. Please do go on to Facebook search the group and we'd be delighted to have you join us. The one thing I would say is do please answer their membership questions. Okay, have a great day and take care

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